From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Jan 23 11:10:56 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:10:56 -0800 Subject: [CT] QOA up on new server. Message-ID: <002b01c2c2d0$1a9602a0$6401a8c0@sv0> DNS hasn't switched over, but the site is up on the new server -- very fast, very pleasant. I've installed phpbb -- running php & asp on the same IIS5 website is a pain in the ass, but I got it working. The site's at: http://38.118.133.185 The new forum's at: http://38.118.133.185/forum/ The old forum (if for some reason anyone wants to refer to it) is at: http://38.118.133.185/Forums/Forums.asp Registration isn't unified across the asp/php code yet, so for now I'm using the registration built into phpbb. Because of this, the Login/Register widget that used to live in the upper right-hand corner of the site is gone. Anyone who ever had an account on the ASP forum should now have one, with the same password, on the php forum. I ported the accounts (though not the topics & messages) from the ASP forum to the php forum. If for some reason it doesn't work for you, let me know. I may be briefly incommunicado while the DNS propagates. If you mail me and it bounces and it's urgent (can't imagine what) I can still be reached at dkm_1@pacbell.net -- put something like HI DAN THIS IS URGENT in the subject, since 99.999% of the mail that comes in on that account is spam. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Jan 23 19:32:03 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:32:03 -0800 Subject: [CT] ST Power Armor Message-ID: <004701c2c316$1ea21230$6401a8c0@sv0> >From the horse's mouth, Karl Martin, who worked on both the movie & the animated series: ~~~~~ Luc Mayrand and John Bell created some very cool concept art and designs for the power-armor suits, and the handling equipment that moves the troops around once they're in it, and the sets it all would have gone on. There was test footage (or more properly, a sales trailer) of a soldier getting chased around Vasquez rocks and mauled by a couple of bugs, but I never saw any power-armor test footage; it got cut real early on for budget reasons (at which point the story had drifted so far from anything Heinlein that I don't personally think it makes any difference). The joke floating around at the time (at least, it USED to be a joke) was that we'd have power-armor in the sequel. I'd like to point out that we had amazingly cool power-armor in the 'Starship Troopers: Roughnecks' show we did at Foundation Imaging, although that armor was specialist-issue and generally only a couple of characters used it in any one episode. karl ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sat Feb 1 15:23:30 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:23:30 -0800 Subject: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. Message-ID: <001101c2ca05$e10d7d00$6401a8c0@sv0> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/01/shuttle.columbia/index.html JOHNSON SPACE CENTER, Houston, Texas (CNN) -- The space shuttle Columbia, with seven astronauts aboard, broke up as it descended over central Texas Saturday toward a planned landing at Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Search-and-rescue teams from the Dallas-Fort Worth area were alerted and area residents were urged to stay away from any possible debris from the shuttle, which may be hazardous, said NASA public affairs officer James Hartfield. The Bush administration was preparing to convene a "domestic event" conference among all domestic and military agencies that may be involved in the next step. An administration official said the shuttle's altitude -- over 200,000 feet -- made it "highly unlikely" that the shuttle fell victim to a terrorist act. NASA officials said they last had contact with the shuttle about 9 a.m. EST, and it had been expected to touch down at about 9:16 a.m. EST. Video of the shuttle tracking over Dallas showed multiple vapor trails, but NASA spokesman Kyle Herring said it was too early to determine the source. Steve Petrovich, a police officer in Palestine, Texas, said he heard "a rumble and boom" at about 8 a.m. CDT (9 a.m. EST). Jim Hubbs of New Boston, Texas, said he heard police discussing over a police scanner "a smoking object going southeast" that disappeared in the Bowie County area near the Arkansas state line. Officials said no tracking data were available. Israel's first astronaut, Ilan Ramon, was among the seven-person crew. There was no official reaction from the Israeli government, but a Defense Ministry spokeswoman said, "Like everyone else, we are feeling terrible, hoping the slightest hope that still remains at this stage will become a reality." Columbia is the oldest of NASA's shuttle fleet, first launched in 1981. It was on its 28th mission. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sat Feb 1 15:48:55 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:48:55 -0800 Subject: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c2ca09$6ec6e480$6401a8c0@sv0> I have an upset stomach. This is a dreadful thing to wake up to -- my phone's rung three times this morning so far. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Bob Howard > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:35 AM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: RE: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. > > Oh lord, I'm numb. > > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org > [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Cotten > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:35 AM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. > > > oh man... this is horrible. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Feb 3 20:08:11 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:08:11 -0800 Subject: [CT] Crack on left wing. Message-ID: <003601c2cbbf$fb0dc190$6401a8c0@sv0> I haven't seen this anywhere else, but it doesn't look bogus: http://www.maarivenglish.com/ The left wing of the Columbia shuttle from a picture taken out of the shuttle's window. The picture was taken from the news program "Erev Hadash" from Israeli television. 02-03-03 On the fifth day of his journey into space, Ilan Ramon spoke with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon through a video link. He presented the prime minister his view out of the windows of the Columbia shuttle and right there on the surface of the wing on the left side you could see a long crack and a dent. Eleven days after, it was that very same wing that broke off the shuttle and finally brought it to its destruction. Even if NASA knew about the damage from the moment it happened, they could have done nothing except pray. According to Aharon Lapidot, a well respected aviation expert in Israel, the left wing theory is the most plausible explanation for the shuttle disaster. ~~~~~ There's a photo of the wing that shows a huge crack. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Feb 3 21:04:59 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:04:59 -0800 Subject: [CT] Crack on left wing. In-Reply-To: <200302032014.MAA20259@ddmi.he.net> Message-ID: <000001c2cbc7$f3c50120$6401a8c0@sv0> Striking photo, isn't it? I sort of hope it's faked -- hard to believe that got broadcast anywhere in the world and nobody told NASA about it. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of daveg > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:15 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. > > > I'm not sure exactly where on the shuttle wing this picture shows. I've > forwarded the link to a friend at NASA Ames for comment. > > Dave ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Feb 3 22:05:07 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:05:07 -0800 Subject: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. In-Reply-To: <200302032153.NAA32036@ddmi.he.net> Message-ID: <000001c2cbd0$517392c0$6401a8c0@sv0> Would they have had enough fuel to get to the ISS? > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of daveg > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:54 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. > > > Yep. Even if they had known of damage, there's not a damned thing they > could have done about it. I suppose they could have made their final > phone calls home, but they'd still have to do reentry. > > Dave > > > > > Rob wrote about the need for an ROV to do an inspection. > > > > While this might be useful, the question remains, what do you do if the > > inspection finds a problem? Without in-orbit repair capability or a > > spare shuttle standing by to off-load the crew from the damaged shuttle > > (within the time constraints of decaying orbits, air, food, power, etc), > > inspections don't do much good except tell you the bad news a little > > earlier... > > > > I am in shock at the tragedy, but encouraged in the same way I was > > during Challenger, as the President stood up and said "we will > > continue". And my belief is that the people aboard Columbia would have > > been the first to support that decision. > > > > -- Ken Moreau > > ____________________________ > > continuing-time mailing list > > continuing-time@ralf.org > > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time > > > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Feb 3 22:06:26 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:06:26 -0800 Subject: [CT] Space shuttle disintegrated on re-entry. In-Reply-To: <5A96E87E2BA0714ABBEA2C8F3F3F667C038D065D@cceexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <000101c2cbd0$7fb4b2e0$6401a8c0@sv0> Ken Moreau wrote: > I am in shock at the tragedy, but encouraged in the same way I was > during Challenger, as the President stood up and said "we will > continue". And my belief is that the people aboard Columbia would have > been the first to support that decision. Dangerous as it plainly is, with wife and kids and all -- if they'd put aside a slot for me, I'd be on the next one. Life is dangerous. I'd hate to die without ever reaching orbit, and I suspect I may. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Feb 3 22:55:21 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:55:21 -0800 Subject: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. In-Reply-To: <200302032250.h13MoNp03544@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: <000001c2cbd7$551ebc40$6401a8c0@sv0> This is true. No president in my lifetime has made education a priority. Nor has any state that I can recall -- certainly not mine. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of William December Starr > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:50 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. > > John Franklin said: > > > And this is with every president in my memory making education a > > priority. > > We may need to be careful here not to confuse "saying words like > 'education' and 'priority' in the same sentences in speeches" with > "making education a priority." > > -- William December Starr > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Feb 4 04:48:05 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:48:05 -0800 Subject: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. In-Reply-To: <045801c2cc01$544903a0$6901a8c0@beasys.com> Message-ID: <003001c2cc08$9c1df990$6401a8c0@sv0> I saw a study, 10 years ago or more now, that corrected for immigrants -- non-English-speaking students -- and then charted educational results vs. money spent. It was almost perfectly linear. I wish I could find that study online. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Johnson > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:56 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: RE: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. > > And yet, in most states, education is the most significant chunk of > their budget. I don't think money is the whole story. The reason that > journalists - and most other Americans - can't immediately see that 18x > the speed of light is an absurd figure for the shuttle to be travelling > is because schools make science (and other subjects) boring, as a > byproduct of their system. Science class all about memorization of > science facts, which isn't science at all. I don't honestly think that > throwing money at that problem will do much of anything to solve it. > > Ross > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org > > [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of > > sneadj@mindspring.com > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:57 PM > > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > > Subject: Re: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. > > > > > > On 3 Feb 03, at 17:50, William December Starr wrote: > > > > > John Franklin said: > > > > > > > And this is with every president in my memory making education a > > > > priority. > > > > > > We may need to be careful here not to confuse "saying words like > > > 'education' and 'priority' in the same sentences in speeches" with > > > "making education a priority." > > > > Agreed, a few years ago I ran across figures about per child > > expenditures for public school education in the US, and it's > > essentially been dropping since the 1970s, which likely helps > > explain why so many US high school graduates can't even find > > China on a map. Promises made w/o funding to back them up are > > lies. > > > > -John Snead sneadj@mindspring.com > > > > ____________________________ > > continuing-time mailing list > > continuing-time@ralf.org > > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuin> g-time > > > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Feb 4 05:51:21 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:51:21 -0800 Subject: ??? Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. In-Reply-To: <045e01c2cc0e$07230820$6901a8c0@beasys.com> Message-ID: <003901c2cc11$72521ed0$6401a8c0@sv0> I posted the actual photo at QOA: http://38.118.133.185/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18051 > PS: 18x lightspeed is now my personal favorite metric. Thanks to > whoever posted it. :) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Feb 4 05:59:35 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:59:35 -0800 Subject: [CT] Letter criticizing Shuttle program In-Reply-To: <1044337625.12637.45.camel@numbers> Message-ID: <003a01c2cc12$98a47eb0$6401a8c0@sv0> Robert H. Hansen wrote: > The original conception of the Shuttle was grand: a versatile "space > truck" capable of servicing everything from low Earth orbit (LEO) to Drop the acronym here and in the following. You may also want to give values, in miles, for low earth orbit and geosynchronous earth orbit, and maybe the orbit of the moon as well, to give people a sense of scale. > Instead, the satellite is mounted to a Payload > Assist Module (PAM), which is a rocket motor designed to kick the > satellite into a higher orbit than the Shuttle is capable of > achieving. "Instead, the satellite is mounted to yet another rocket, carried to orbit in the Shuttle cargo bay, which is designed to kick the satellite into a higher orbit than the Shuttle alone is capable of." ... but in any event lose the jargon. No comments on the rest. Knock 'em dead. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Feb 4 21:45:54 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:45:54 -0800 Subject: [CT] Other ways into space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c2cc96$ccc8d630$6401a8c0@sv0> Michael Grant wrote: > Several people on this list and elsewhere have said they'd jump at the > chance to go into space if they were offered the chance today. I > wouldn't. > > It just so happens, in the manner of small coincidences, that last > Thursday I happened to go into a rant at work about how unsafe getting > into orbit by chemical rocket really is. Oh, sure. But you know, the odds are really good that you're going to die anyway, no matter what you do. To quote George Carlin on the subject of eating your meat rare, "Take a fucking chance. You know how many people die from food poisoning every year? 9000! It's a minor fucking risk!" ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Feb 5 04:22:21 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:22:21 -0800 Subject: [CT] Crack on left wing. In-Reply-To: <20030205030904.93487.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c2ccce$2db3c2c0$6401a8c0@sv0> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2CC8B.1F9082C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's clear in the new video that the "crack" is a cable. The dent appears to be a dent, however. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of kerry wagner Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:09 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: Re: [CT] Crack on left wing. http://home.earthlink.net/~sigma90/explainisraelimage.html Much better, enjoy Earl wrote: I've been trying to see this picture, but all I've found is a link on the page cited. When I click the link, it tells me I have to subscribe. Is there anything about this I can see without subscribing? The website I'm having trouble with is www.maarivenglish.com. -------Original Message------- From: Dan Moran Sent: 02/03/03 03:08 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: [CT] Crack on left wing. > > I haven't seen this anywhere else, but it doesn't look bogus: http://www.maarivenglish.com/ The left wing of the Columbia shuttle from a picture taken out of the shuttle's window. The picture was taken from the news program "Erev Hadash" from Israeli television. 02-03-03 On the fifth day of his journey into space, Ilan Ramon spoke with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon through a video link. He presented the prime minister his view out of the windows of the Columbia shuttle and right there on the surface of the wing on the left side you could see a long crack and a dent. Eleven days after, it was that very same wing that broke off the shuttle and finally brought it to its destruction. Even if NASA knew about the damage from the moment it happened, they could have done nothing except pray. According to Aharon Lapidot, a well respected aviation expert in Israel, the left wing theory is the most plausible explanation for the shuttle disaster. ~~~~~ There's a photo of the wing that shows a huge crack. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time > ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time Reach low earth orbit and you're halfway to anywhere in the solar system. _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2CC8B.1F9082C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s clear in the new video = that the “crack” is a cable. The dent appears to be a dent, = however.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of kerry wagner
Sent: Tuesday, February = 04, 2003 7:09 PM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: Re: [CT] Crack = on left wing.

 

http:= //home.earthlink.net/~sigma90/explainisraelimage.html

Much better, enjoy

 Earl = <epdean@kih.net> wrote:

I've been trying to see this picture, but all I've found is a = link on the page cited. When I click the link, it tells me I have to subscribe. = Is there anything about this I can see without subscribing? The website I'm = having trouble with is www.maarivenglish.com.

-------Original Message-------
From: Dan Moran
Sent: 02/03/03 03:08 PM
To: continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: [CT] Crack on left wing.

>
> I haven't seen this anywhere else, but it doesn't look bogus:

http://www.maarivenglish.com/

The left wing of the Columbia shuttle from a picture taken out of = the
shuttle's window. The picture was taken from the news program = "Erev
Hadash" from Israeli television.

02-03-03 On the fifth day of his journey into space, Ilan Ramon = spoke
with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon through a video link. He presented = the
prime minister his view out of the windows of the Columbia shuttle = and
right there on the surface of the wing on the left side you could see = a
long crack and a dent. Eleven days after, it was that very same wing
that broke off the shuttle and finally brought it to its = destruction.
Even if NASA knew about the damage from the moment it happened, they
could have done nothing except pray.

According to Aharon Lapidot, a well respected aviation expert in = Israel,
the left wing theory is the most plausible explanation for the = shuttle
disaster.

~~~~~

There's a photo of the wing that shows a huge crack.

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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C2CC8B.1F9082C0-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Feb 6 01:06:49 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:06:49 -0800 Subject: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. Message-ID: <002a01c2cd7c$07bb9d50$6401a8c0@sv0> It's the first link on the right side. Also, it's available as raw text (well, HTML) for those who want it that way, at: http://38.118.133.185/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18052 I can't understand why anyone would prefer to read this rather than the nice .pdf file, but to each his own. This is my favorite of my Star Wars stories -- it's the longest and the one that got edited least, as well. KJ Anderson once called it the best of all the Star Wars fiction, which has always pleased me. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Feb 6 01:36:20 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:36:20 -0800 Subject: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c2cd80$26ec3f00$6401a8c0@sv0> Thanks. I fixed it. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mott > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:18 PM > To: 'continuing-time@ralf.org' > Subject: RE: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. > > I find that the "Last One Standing" link is actually connected to "Barve > Like That" :( > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Moran [mailto:Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:07 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. > > > It's the first link on the right side. > > Also, it's available as raw text (well, HTML) for those who want it that > way, at: > > http://38.118.133.185/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18052 > > I can't understand why anyone would prefer to read this rather than the > nice .pdf file, but to each his own. > > This is my favorite of my Star Wars stories -- it's the longest and the > one that got edited least, as well. KJ Anderson once called it the best > of all the Star Wars fiction, which has always pleased me. > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Feb 6 07:24:30 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:24:30 -0800 Subject: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. In-Reply-To: <7122E3C522C2D311B9C700508B02DCA308E14C71@ntmsg0099.corpmail.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <000301c2cdb0$cb2c9530$6401a8c0@sv0> Your e-mail has made its long and lonely way to my inbox. :-) It was fixed some hours ago. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Tong, Simon > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:16 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: RE: [CT] "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" up on QOA. > > > It's the first link on the right side. > > The link takes me to BraveLikeThat.pdf. > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Feb 6 22:17:20 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:17:20 -0800 Subject: [CT] Orbiters In-Reply-To: <20030206213137.GC14019@infodancer.org> Message-ID: <000001c2ce2d$84c5f050$6401a8c0@sv0> There was an hysterical episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where the Enterprise used an asteroid as a gravity catapult. The FX showed the Enterprise moving toward this Enterprise-sized asteroid, and then swinging around it as though the asteroid were actually a massive black hole. For a couple years after that my friends and I would orbit one another when we were bored. "Woah, dude, your mass is sending me off in a slingshot orbit! Lay off the cheeseburgers!" It was a simpler time. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunter > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:32 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Orbiters > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:38:50PM -0800, daveg wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:30:36PM -0800, daveg > wrote: > > > > > > Not free. Taking rotational energy from planetary core. By way > of planetary > > > > > > EM field. > > > > > so it should, in theory, slow down the earth's rotation, which, > > > > > according to this website I read the other day, reduce the earth's > > > > > gravity, thereby making the elevator even more efficient! I say > do it! > > > > Reduce gravity? Gravity is function of mass. Planetary mass > doesn't change > > > > because of lower rotational velocity. > > > Relativity. > > I don't Earth rotational velocity is sufficient to generate a > > relativistic effect. > > "Measurable". > > -- > Matthew Hunter (matthew@infodancer.org) > Public Key: http://matthew.infodancer.org/public_key.txt > Homepage: http://matthew.infodancer.org/index.jsp > Politics: http://www.triggerfinger.org/index.jsp > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Feb 7 04:15:08 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:15:08 -0800 Subject: TV (was RE: [CT] Armchair Physics) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c2ce5f$808e0040$6401a8c0@sv0> > > Buffy, the Vampire Slayer > > (Seasons 1 through Season 5 only (1)) Never could get into that, though my daughter is a fanatic. > > Sports Night > > (Now available on DVD!!!) Simply the greatest sitcom in the history of television. It made me laugh so hard once I passed out. My wife and I just rewatched the entire thing on DVD (Christmas present for her) -- and EXPECTING the scene that made me pass out last time, I laughed so hard I got red spots in front of my eyes. > I'd put the first 3 seasons of Babylon 5 Yeah. "The Coming of Shadows," "The Rock Cried Out No Hiding Place" -- the scene from "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum" where Vir tells Morden what he wants -- "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander, daughter of Andre and Sofia Ivanova. I am the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth. I am death incarnate and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. God sent me." -- "Between the Darkness and the Light" ... and something that reads badly on the page, and was one of the best uses of voiceover I've ever seen -- SPOILER FROM THE LAST EPISODE: From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Feb 7 07:22:41 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:22:41 -0800 Subject: TV (was RE: [CT] Armchair Physics) In-Reply-To: <7122E3C522C2D311B9C700508B02DCA308E14C93@ntmsg0099.corpmail.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: <003a01c2ce79$b41adfe0$6401a8c0@sv0> > > From: Dan Moran [mailto:Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com] > > I never was able to picture myself > > living in the Star Trek universe. No place a person like me would fit. > > You are not _that_ strange, are you? :-) "I'm the most normal person I ever met." - Gus, Lonesome Dove ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Feb 7 22:24:44 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:24:44 -0800 Subject: TV (was RE: [CT] Armchair Physics) In-Reply-To: <80F1D5BDBA916C40ACA2EE3CAB3A4EAADB72FF@spugexc2.puget.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2cef7$b8d388b0$6401a8c0@sv0> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dan Moran [mailto:Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:15 PM > > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > > Subject: RE: TV (was RE: [CT] Armchair Physics) > > > > Simply the greatest sitcom in the history of television. It made me > > laugh so hard once I passed out. My wife and I just rewatched > > the entire > > thing on DVD (Christmas present for her) -- and EXPECTING the > > scene that > > made me pass out last time, I laughed so hard I got red spots in front > > of my eyes. > > > You're talking about Natalie's cure for Dan's writer's block, I presume? > > One of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. No -- "swallow, Jeremy." > I keep the boxed set setting right next to by DVD player, and cue up > Episode 7 whenever I get depressed. I agree with you. Sports Night is > the best sitcom in the history of television. Yep. I got suckerpunched by the episode where Jeremy finds out his Dad's been having an affair for 20 years -- my dad had just passed as we were watching that, and I couldn't finish that one. The loss Jeremy was dealing with, the discovery that his happy family wasn't, was a little too close to the loss I was dealing with at the time. It's not merely funny, it's occasionally profound -- the bit where Natalie doesn't want to turn over the tapes of the Madison Square Garden riot, and finding out what's really behind that -- the kiss between Casey and Dana at the start of Season 2, one of the most romantic things I've ever seen on television -- the scene from Season One, where Dana tells Casey he's "cracking her up," and he stands there looking sucker-punched -- man, just brilliant. In that same episode Dan gets a date with the girl he's been obsessing over -- Dan: "You know, sometimes it's worth it - taking all the pies in the face. Sometimes you come through it feeling good." Casey: "Yes." Dan: "And how was your day?" Casey: "Sometimes you just stand there, hip-deep in pie." It's so perfect I'm almost not envious as a writer -- occasionally envious, but mostly just blown away. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Feb 16 22:30:41 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:30:41 -0800 Subject: [CT] Second chapter of 'Sheriff of Shokes' is up on QOA Message-ID: <007301c2d60b$0a1ea500$6401a8c0@sv0> In the "In Progress" forum. You have to register to read it. The third chapter should be up sometime today, I hope. No promises. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Jun 6 18:00:31 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:00:31 -0700 Subject: [CT] I'm going to be on "Day to Day" on NPR Message-ID: <000801c32c4d$24532ac0$6601a8c0@sva3k> Doing essays, same as last time -- same producer, JJ Sutherland, who I'm looking forward to working with again. I'm unclear whether the connection with Slate means that the pieces will also end up on Slate, though they will obviously air on the stations carrying the show. When I know when my pieces will run, and which stations pick up the show, I'll post it here. http://www.npr.org/about/press/030512.prslate.html NPR and Slate Magazine to produce weekday radio program Day to Day premieres in July 2003 WASHINGTON-NPR News and Slate Magazine have announced an historic collaboration to co-produce a new, one-hour weekday radio newsmagazine, Day to Day, targeted for midday broadcast on NPR stations. The program will showcase newsworthy topics with a smart, savvy and spontaneous approach, and feature a diverse family of contributors from both NPR News and Slate. Veteran NPR correspondent Alex Chadwick will host Day to Day, which will originate from NPR West in Los Angeles, and debut on public radio stations around the country in July 2003. Day to Day will combine the unparalleled journalistic excellence of NPR News with Slate's award-winning opinion journalism, offering new ways to examine issues, explain events, and comprehend the world. Day to Day will feature personal stories, ideas, beliefs and behaviors to frame interesting and out of the ordinary topics. Slate's writers and editors will contribute to the program including Founding Editor, Michael Kinsley, Editor-in-Chief, Jacob Weisberg and Chief Political Correspondent William Saletan. NPR News and Slate Magazine will collaborate to bring Day to Day to the radio and the Web. A full-time editor from Slate will join the show's production staff, and each show will feature contributions from Slate reporters. NPR and Slate will also co-produce online features for the program and cross-promote their Web sites, slate.com and npr.org, with content links. Day to Day is the first program collaboration NPR has initiated with a commercial media outlet in its 33-year history. It is also NPR's first new newsmagazine since Weekend Edition, which began in 1985. "Day to Day is going to join the voice and written word in a very powerful way," said Ken Stern, NPR's executive vice president. "Slate's role as the journal of choice among smart, savvy readers, combined with NPR's demonstrated power to attract and inspire the most curious, thoughtful and creative among us will combine to make this new show a media standout. NPR will also obtain additional value from this relationship through Slate's commitment to promote NPR and Day To Day through its award-winning website and through the widely used MSN Network." "Slate looks forward to this new venture. NPR's loyal audience and nationwide reach coupled with Slate's innovative delivery of news and information is the perfect marriage of radio and the Internet," said Cyrus Krohn, Slate's Publisher. "NPR and Slate both strive to produce the highest quality content. Our respective mediums will compliment each other nicely as we proceed. Day to Day will become the second daily program to originate from NPR West since the new studios opened in Los Angeles in November 2002. NPR West is also the home of The Tavis Smiley Show, a weekday news and opinion program produced and distributed by NPR. NPR produces more than 280 hours of programming a week, including Morning Edition and All Things Considered, the second and third most listened-to programs in all radio. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting will provide $1.8 million to help develop and launch Day to Day. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 8 07:42:17 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:42:17 -0700 Subject: [CT] Re: If I was a conservative I'd be ticked. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c32d89$1cca3810$6601a8c0@sva3k> >The real one is Imperialism. Ohh... I can feel the liberals >slathering and chomping at the bit. Nah, I agree with you. Just get Bush to say it in public and we'll call it square. ;-) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 8 08:00:33 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:00:33 -0700 Subject: [CT] Re: If I was a conservative I'd be ticked. In-Reply-To: <001801c32d89$1cca3810$6601a8c0@sva3k> Message-ID: <000001c32d8b$a8acd930$6601a8c0@sva3k> Sigh. Sorry, everyone. Thought this was the ctforum list myself. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Dan Moran Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:42 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: RE: [CT] Re: If I was a conservative I'd be ticked. >The real one is Imperialism. Ohh... I can feel the liberals >slathering and chomping at the bit. Nah, I agree with you. Just get Bush to say it in public and we'll call it square. ;-) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 8 08:10:14 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:10:14 -0700 Subject: [CT] I'm going to be on "Day to Day" on NPR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c32d8d$02e5f750$6601a8c0@sva3k> Bob Howard wrote: >Glad to hear you're not dead. Take it the right way; I grew up in NYC. Some years ago I lived in NY for a year and a half. I thought New Yorkers were the *rudest* people. Then one morning at a coffee shop I was regularly having breakfast in (little hole in the wall on First avenue, up around 73rd Street) I asked the proprietor to refill my coffee. He was sitting a few tables over talking to another regular. He'd filled my coffee every time I'd asked for a month or two at that point, no problem -- he looked up at me and said, "Get it yourself, you know where it is," and went back to his conversation. I was shocked. I don't mean fake-shocked, I mean it had never ever ever crossed my mind for an instant that a server in a restaurant would speak to me that way. But I *did* know where the coffee pot was. I got up, walked over to it, refilled my coffee, and sat back down again. I ate at that coffee shop another 6 months or so, until I went back to L.A. I never had to wait to get my coffee refilled again, the entire time I was there. I walked in while he was cooking the fresh corn muffins, grabbed a cup and filled it for myself, and sat down with my newspaper. Once I realized the guy wasn't being rude to me, I just loved him. I'm back in Los Angeles now, and that's a good thing. But sometimes I'm sorry I spent a whole year in New York before I realized that New Yorkers have plenty good manners, by New York rules. Every now and again while I'm sitting in an L.A. restaurant, waiting for my coffee to get refilled, I think about getting up and wandering over to the coffee pot and handling it for myself ... but I know I would shock the waiters, so I don't. I'm glad not to be dead either. ;-) >P.S. How're Amy and the brood? We're doing great. My baby is a year and a half and a nonsense-sound generator -- you could build up a superb alien language out of what comes out of his mouth. (Aside from not talking, he's not a baby any more -- he's a hard-charging little boy with an Agenda.) >(I'm so proud. Didn't ask anything about AI War) I've been so wrong so frequently on this subject I'm reluctant to mention it ... but I have to think that pointing out to a publisher that I'm about to be heard by a national office, on a semi-regular basis, won't hurt. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Jun 9 22:08:01 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:08:01 -0700 Subject: [CT] I'm going to be on "Day to Day" on NPR In-Reply-To: <000101c32d8d$02e5f750$6601a8c0@sva3k> Message-ID: <000701c32ecb$36a026d0$6601a8c0@sva3k> > >(I'm so proud. Didn't ask anything about AI War) > > I've been so wrong so frequently on this subject I'm reluctant to > mention it ... but I have to think that pointing out to a publisher that > I'm about to be heard by a national office, on a semi-regular basis, > won't hurt. Can you say "national audience?" Apparently I can't. Stinkin' Alzheimers. That's the way it starts: you want the sugar, you ask for the syrup. I'm reluctant to mention this since it's not 100% certain, but it does look very probable that John Ringo and I will be writing a pair of novels together -- and despite its title, this is not a CT story: "Unification." We've still got some stuff to hash out but I think we will. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Jun 9 22:19:32 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:19:32 -0700 Subject: [CT] Ringo colaboration (was: I'm going to be on "Day to Day"...) In-Reply-To: <200306092115.h59LFXS06686@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: <000801c32ecc$d2605300$6601a8c0@sva3k> > Let me guess: for Baen Books? > > -- William December Starr wdstarr@panix.com Haven't gotten that far. Good chance of it, I would think. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Jun 10 00:20:13 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:20:13 -0700 Subject: [CT] Ringo colaboration (was: I'm going to be on "Day to Day"...) In-Reply-To: <3EE50C0E.3531EA48@dnaco.net> Message-ID: <000201c32edd$b16e1ea0$6601a8c0@sva3k> Maureen wrote: > I think this sounds like a very good thing. You certainly have stuff > you can teach Mr. Ringo, and he does have good storyteller stuff > underneath everything. That may be, but it goes both ways. John is a military analyst and knows vastly more than I do about, you know, WAR -- I couldn't write the novel I want to write without him or someone like him. And I really enjoy his dialog and combat scenes -- I think we'll match up well for this particular story. > But for God's sake and the love of English teachers everywhere, > make someone proofread and insert commas in the right places! Oh, > the humanity! Just because, a comma is in the wrong, place, sheesh. Some people, overreact. :-) I'm a comma snob myself. I haven't noticed any problems with them in John's writing, but just for you I'll try and make sure things flow. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Jun 13 03:44:12 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:44:12 -0700 Subject: [CT] war In-Reply-To: <3EE91CD7.C2A90FB4@copper.net> Message-ID: <000a01c33155$b4271ff0$6601a8c0@sva3k> Interestingly, John Ringo & I have been discussing that exact issue in plotting "Unification." > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Jolie Noel > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:38 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: [CT] war > > > > Here is something that's bothering me. How was an atomic war of human > extinction levels avoided during the unification war? Surely the US of A > would have lived up to the old credo of "better dead than red". What > prevented it? > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Jun 13 21:17:05 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:17:05 -0700 Subject: [CT] war In-Reply-To: <56217BD16BE1934297F4E8B5034DD0BB01444071@houexch03.us.netiq.corp> Message-ID: <000101c331e8$c2709e40$6601a8c0@sva3k> Anyone object to my forwarding this stuff to Ringo? (I can't imagine, but I figure I'll be nice & ask anyway.) > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Brad Daniels > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:43 PM > To: 'continuing-time@ralf.org' > Subject: RE: [CT] war > > > > > From: Brad Daniels [mailto:Brad.Daniels@NetIQ.com] > .... > > I've gotta > > wonder about fallout issues from having over 1000 conventional nuclear > > weapons destroyed in flight over populated areas, even if only a few > > actually get to detonate... > > Another issue I just thought of: I know nuclear weapons will not detonate > as a result of physical impact or conventional explosions, but in Hell's > Faire, the things were being hit by missiles ("HVMs") accelerated to > significant fractions of the speed of light. I'd think an impact at that > level of energy would tend to trigger a nuclear explosion if it hit the > fissile core, even if the normal detonator didn't fire. > > Even if the HVM missed the core, the resulting explosion would be far > beyond > anything the system would be designed for, because of the rate of > propagation of the explosion as the HVM hit the rocket fuel. The strength > of an explosion is in large part a function of how quickly the explosive > propagates through the explosive, and an HVM would make a substantial > proportion of the rocket fuel explode pretty much simultaneously. The > force > of the explosion would far exceed anything you could normally achieve with > chemical explosives. > > If that doesn't make sense, think of some real-world examples: > > Take some gasoline and fertilizer to make your standard farming explosive. > Put it in a bucket. Shoot the bucket from a safe distance using a > large-caliber pistol. Odds are, you won't get an explosion, or if you do, > it won't be a terribly big one. > > Next, take an identical bucket of gas/fertilizer mix, and prime it with > some > TNT. You'll get an explosion much bigger than you'd get from shooting the > bucket and blowing up a stick of TNT separately. That's because the shock > wave from the TNT travels quickly through the gas/fertilizer mix, causing > it > all to ignite in a short period of time, thus creating a bigger explosion. > > Now take that same bucket of gas and fertilizer, and prime it with some > astrolite. Why do I mention astrolite? Funny you should ask: > > I knew a guy who used to be a professional chemist. He liked to blow > things > up. Call him Bill. > > One time, Bill and one of his buddies (we'll call his buddy "Ted") scammed > a > chemical company into selling them some anhydrous hydrazine. (Ted was > also > a pyromaniacial chemist, in case you were wondering). Anhydrous hydrazine > is normally used only for manufacturing explosives or rocket fuel, and > neither worked for a munitions factory or satellite launching company, so > they Ted spun a story about using the stuff for improving paint bonds > through rapid oxidation reactions. The chemical salespeople were thrilled > at the possibility of an industrial application of their wares, and > quickly > sent along a couple of kilos of the stuff. > > Anhydrous hydrazine is an important component in the manufacture of some > explosives, as I have mentioned. Astrolite is one such explosive. It > was, > at the time, the most powerful chemical explosive known to man. > > Anyway, Bill and Ted made a batch of astrolite, then the two of them had > some fun blowing things up with small quantities of the stuff out at Ted's > father's farm. Ted's father put up with the noise for a while, then told > them that as long as they were going to blow things up, they should be > useful and blow up a boulder that was always in his way out by one of the > fields. > > Now, this boulder was a good 15 feet across, and Ted wasn't sure he had > enough astrolite left to do the job (besides which, he didn't want to > waste > so much to blow up just one thing, even if it were a really big thing), so > he made himself a bucket of gas and fertilizer, and set up the astrolite > as > a primer. > > This wasn't the first time Ted had blow up a boulder, so he knew about how > much gas/fertilizer mix to use when blowing up a boulder of that size. He > forgot one little thing, though. The previous times he'd blown up a > boulder > in this way, he'd been using dynamite to prime the explosion, and > astrolite > is a bit more energetic, to say the least. > > When they set off that astrolite, the shock wave propagated through the > gas/fertilizer mix many times faster than normal. I don't have exact > figures for the power of the explosion, but the result was that > afterwards, > there was no sign at all of the boulder (or a nearby tree, for that > matter), > and there was a 30-foot crater left in the ground. > > The explosion broke several windows back at the farm house, and I couldn't > tell you how far away it could be heard, but I will say that late that > day, > a group of scientists from a nearby university's department of geology > came > by to investigate an anomalous seismic event. Ted's father chased them > away, but it was a bit tense for a while... > > Now imagine blowing up a missile full of rocket fuel with a projectile > traveling at .2c (or whatever the HVMs are supposed to go at) in close > proximity to a nuclear warhead. Damn big explosion, I'd expect. > > - Brad > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 15 01:30:02 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:30:02 -0700 Subject: [CT] Question about Heinlein Message-ID: <000001c332d5$431aab70$6601a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3329A.96BBD370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a line in Pandora's Box, in Expanded Universe, that makes the point that "the age of Science has not yet opened" -- that's a paraphrase from memory, but I think pretty close. Was that line, and Heinlein's commentary about the fourth curve, in the first version of this work, published in the 1950s? I'm particularly interested because Gordon Moore, who formulated Moore's Law (a fairly technical prediction about chip density) generally gets credited with making this broad point about the way in which technology accelerates -- and I suspect Heinlein (and possibly others, but at least Heinlein) said so before Moore did, and much more clearly. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3329A.96BBD370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
There's a line in Pandora's Box, in Expanded =
Universe, that makes the
point that "the age of Science has not =
yet opened" -- that's a
paraphrase from memory, but I think pretty =
close.
 
Was that line, and Heinlein's commentary =
about the fourth curve, in
the first version of =
this work, published in the 1950s? I'm
particularly interested because Gordon =
Moore, who formulated =
Moore's
=
Law (a fairly technical prediction about chip =
density) generally gets
credited with making this broad point about =
the way in which
technology accelerates -- and I suspect =
Heinlein (and possibly others,
but at least Heinlein) said so before =
Moore did, and much =
more
clearly.
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3329A.96BBD370-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 15 02:28:10 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:28:10 -0700 Subject: [CT] Question about Heinlein In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c332dd$641f7410$6601a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C332A2.B7C09C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, that fits my recollection pretty clearly - but I want to know if that same point is in the version of that piece published in 1950 or thereabouts. Moore's prediction is from the early 70s. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Wendel Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:13 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: RE: [CT] Question about Heinlein I'm looking in my copy, which is the 1981 Ace trade paperback edition. First, the quote isn't from Pandora's Box. Pandora's Box serves as an introduction to the set of predictions which follow, which is where the quote is from. The article name is, "Where To?". The quote is, "The Age of Science has not yet opened." And the words, "has not yet opened" are in italics. In the paragraphs leading up to that quote, Heinlein talks about what he calls the "curve of human achievement." (There is also a graph.) He says, "But the proper way to project the curve is dotted line number four - for there is no reason, mathematical, scientific, or historical, to expect that curve to flatten out, or to reach a point of diminishing returns, or simply to go on as a tangent. The correct projection, by all facts known today, is for the curve to go on up indefinitely with increasing steepness." ("Increasing" is in italics.) Heinlein continues, "The timid little predictions earlier in this article actually belong to curve one, or, at most, to curve two. You can count on the changes in the next fifty years at least eight times (note: "eight times" in italics) as great as the changes of the past fifty years. The Age of Science has not yet opened." So yes - Heinlein was ahead of Moore's Law, and he did say it more clearly. As usual. Best, Jesse -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org]On Behalf Of Dan Moran Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:30 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: [CT] Question about Heinlein There's a line in Pandora's Box, in Expanded Universe, that makes the point that "the age of Science has not yet opened" -- that's a paraphrase from memory, but I think pretty close. Was that line, and Heinlein's commentary about the fourth curve, in the first version of this work, published in the 1950s? I'm particularly interested because Gordon Moore, who formulated Moore's Law (a fairly technical prediction about chip density) generally gets credited with making this broad point about the way in which technology accelerates -- and I suspect Heinlein (and possibly others, but at least Heinlein) said so before Moore did, and much more clearly. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C332A2.B7C09C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, that fits my recollection = pretty clearly – but I want to know if that same point is in the version = of that piece published in 1950 or thereabouts. = Moore’s prediction is from the early = 70s.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] = On Behalf Of Jesse Wendel
Sent: = Saturday, June 14, = 2003 6:13 PM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: RE: [CT] = Question about Heinlein

 

I’m looking = in my copy, which is the 1981 Ace trade paperback = edition.

 

First, the quote = isn’t from Pandora’s Box.  Pandora’s Box serves as an introduction to the set of = predictions which follow, which is where the quote is from.  The article name is, = “Where To?”.

 

The quote is, = “The Age of Science has not yet = opened.”  And the words, “has not = yet opened” are in italics.

 

In the paragraphs = leading up to that quote, Heinlein talks about what he calls the “curve of = human achievement.”  (There = is also a graph.)  He says, = “But the proper way to project the curve is dotted line number four – for = there is no reason, mathematical, scientific, or historical, to expect that curve = to flatten out, or to reach a point of diminishing returns, or simply to go = on as a tangent.  The correct = projection, by all facts known today, is for the curve to go on up indefinitely with = increasing steepness.”  (“Increasing” is in italics.)

 

Heinlein continues, “The timid little predictions earlier in this article actually = belong to curve one, or, at most, to curve two.  You can count on the changes in the next fifty years at least = eight times (note: “eight = times” in italics) as great as the changes of the past fifty = years.

 

The Age of Science = has not yet = opened.”

 

 

So yes – = Heinlein was ahead of Moore’s Law, and he did say it more clearly.  As = usual.

 

Best,

 

Jesse

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org]On Behalf Of Dan Moran
Sent: Saturday, June 14, = 2003 5:30 PM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: [CT] Question = about Heinlein

 

There's a line in Pandora's Box, in Expanded =
Universe, that makes the
point that "the age of Science has not =
yet opened" -- that's a
paraphrase from memory, but I think pretty =
close.
 
Was that line, and Heinlein's commentary =
about the fourth curve, in
the first version of this work, published in =
the 1950s? I'm
particularly interested because Gordon Moore, =
who formulated =
Moore's
Law (a fairly technical prediction about chip =
density) generally gets
credited with making this broad point about =
the way in which
technology accelerates -- and I suspect =
Heinlein (and possibly others,
but at least Heinlein) said so before =
Moore did, and =
much more
clearly.
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C332A2.B7C09C10-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jun 15 02:39:57 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 18:39:57 -0700 Subject: [CT] Question about Heinlein In-Reply-To: <002f01c332de$4f48b780$a80156d1@queeg.net> Message-ID: <000b01c332df$09a83420$6601a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C332A4.5D495C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-) You amuse me. One of the essays I'm writing for NPR is on Vernor Vinge's Singularity - and I'm starting off with Heinlein's prediction, which is why I'm doing this research. ("Research, noun: asking other science fiction fans if they would please do it for me. Amen.") -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:35 PM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: Re: [CT] Question about Heinlein I believe Vernor Vinge followed the curve all the way up with his idea of "The Singularity". Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Wendel To: continuing-time@ralf.org Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [CT] Question about Heinlein In the paragraphs leading up to that quote, Heinlein talks about what he calls the "curve of human achievement." (There is also a graph.) He says, "But the proper way to project the curve is dotted line number four - for there is no reason, mathematical, scientific, or historical, to expect that curve to flatten out, or to reach a point of diminishing returns, or simply to go on as a tangent. The correct projection, by all facts known today, is for the curve to go on up indefinitely with increasing steepness." ("Increasing" is in italics.) Heinlein continues, "The timid little predictions earlier in this article actually belong to curve one, or, at most, to curve two. You can count on the changes in the next fifty years at least eight times (note: "eight times" in italics) as great as the changes of the past fifty years. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C332A4.5D495C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

J You amuse me. One of the essays I’m writing for NPR = is on Vernor Vinge’s = Singularity – and I’m starting off with Heinlein’s prediction, which is = why I’m doing this research. (“Research, noun: asking other science fiction fans if they would please do it for me. = Amen.”)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] = On Behalf Of Dave Godwin
Sent: = Saturday, June 14, = 2003 6:35 PM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: Re: [CT] = Question about Heinlein

 

 

I believe Vernor Vinge followed the curve all the way up with = his idea of "The Singularity".

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Jesse Wendel

Sent: = Saturday, June 14, = 2003 6:12 PM

Subject: RE: = [CT] Question about Heinlein

 

In the paragraphs = leading up to that quote, Heinlein talks about what he calls the “curve of = human achievement.”  (There = is also a graph.)  He says, = “But the proper way to project the curve is dotted line number four – for there is = no reason, mathematical, scientific, or historical, to expect that curve to flatten out, or to reach a point of diminishing returns, or simply to go = on as a tangent.  The correct = projection, by all facts known today, is for the curve to go on up indefinitely with = increasing steepness.”  (“Increasing” is in = italics.)

 

Heinlein continues, “The timid little predictions earlier in this article actually = belong to curve one, or, at most, to curve two.  You can count on the changes in the next fifty years at least = eight times (note: “eight times” in italics) as great as the changes of the past fifty = years.

 

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C332A4.5D495C20-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Mon Jun 16 23:50:24 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:50:24 -0700 Subject: [CT] Artistic Representations of Cyberspace In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c33459$acdd3de0$6601a8c0@sva3k> I don't know which of my works they could take it from. I don't believe in cyberspace; I believe in networks. Maybe the scene in "Long Run" where Trent pretends to be a FedEx guy, but ... shrug. I'm very skeptical of any representational tool for navigating the net. Things are what they are, and people who are really good at what they do won't work with an interface that translates what is into some mystical, fictional pretend world. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of David Silberstein > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:55 PM > To: Continuing Time List > Subject: [CT] Artistic Representations of Cyberspace > > A pity they don't have anything on the Crystal Wind... > > http://www.cybergeography.org/atlas/artistic.html > > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Tue Jun 17 18:51:25 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:51:25 -0700 Subject: [CT] RE: Artistic Representations of Cyberspace In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c334f9$16499d10$6401a8c0@sva3k> I've been running Windows Server 2003 lately -- nice OS, mostly, no big complaints for an OS so recent -- except it doesn't like me swearing, apparently. Twice recently it's rebooted _instantly_ after I said 'fuck' -- a sort of reboot I've never seen from an NT-based OS, I'm not talking blue screen of death, I'm talking "Fuck," followed by the RAM counting up a bare second later. (In neither case was the "Fuck" related to the computer misbehaving.) Raw coincidence, but an odd one. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of David Silberstein > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:20 AM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: [CT] RE: Artistic Representations of Cyberspace > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Ross Johnson wrote: > > >jockey to work up a sweat to get any real work done. No, I'd hold out > >for an inskin before I'd ever slip on the power glove and start using > >sign language at my computer. > > > > There have been times when I have given the computer the finger for > its obstinate behavior. It would be amusing if doing so could > actually do something useful, like, say, power cycle it. > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 18 04:26:47 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:26:47 -0700 Subject: [CT] Factoring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c33549$73e491f0$6401a8c0@sva3k> > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of David Silberstein > > Guys, you *do* know I was so much kidding around? > > Factoring large numbers is Officially Hard. If you want to > do it, you should work on numbers that will actually earn > you money: I could do it except I'm busy right now. Long division, sheesh, some people like to make everything look hard.... ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Jun 20 19:51:14 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:51:14 -0700 Subject: [CT] glow-in-the-dark fish In-Reply-To: <001301c3374d$cfe66c20$b40156d1@queeg.net> Message-ID: <000001c3375c$fc8e50d0$6401a8c0@sva3k> Bugs can see uv; that's why bug zappers are attrative to them. Birds can too -- I don't know if it's all bugs & all birds, but certainly some of each. It seems certain that birds & bugs don't look to each other the way they look to us. I'd bet there are fish that can see UV too, though I don't know that for sure. Far as I know, there hasn't been a lot of research done on this -- not that I would necessarily know. But I haven't run across any. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:03 AM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] glow-in-the-dark fish > > > Their range is quite close to ours, but we have better color distinction. > They have better low-light vision. > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kredai" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CT] glow-in-the-dark fish > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "daveg" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [CT] glow-in-the-dark fish > > > > > > > > > > > > > And they'd make excellent cat toys. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > What's the angstrom range of cat vision? > > would they need the UV light? > > > > > > ____________________________ > > continuing-time mailing list > > continuing-time@ralf.org > > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time > > > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 05:26:52 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:26:52 -0700 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale Message-ID: <000301c33ad2$015d22d0$6401a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33A97.54FE4AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I'm keeping a half dozen copies for myself and getting rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and then I'll put them up on ebay. They're $20 apiece. If you want to buy them through paypal, you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and pay on paypal. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33A97.54FE4AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I’m keeping a half dozen = copies for myself and getting rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and = then I’ll put them up on ebay. They’re $20 apiece. If you want to buy them = through paypal, you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and = pay on paypal.

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C33A97.54FE4AD0-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 05:42:26 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:26 -0700 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale In-Reply-To: <91FE29619E24D311A26C00805F851D7AF8B483@FTLEXCH> Message-ID: <000401c33ad4$2dddbc50$6401a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33A99.817EE450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dkm@QueenOfAngels.com -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of William Case Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 9:26 PM To: 'continuing-time@ralf.org' Subject: RE: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale I'll take a copy (1) .. Just let me know which email addy your PayPal account is linked to and you will have the payment in moments .. Address: Bill Case 1531 SE 15th Street #2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316 Thank you kindly.. =) -----Original Message----- From: Dan Moran [mailto:Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:27 AM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I'm keeping a half dozen copies for myself and getting rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and then I'll put them up on ebay. They're $20 apiece. If you want to buy them through paypal, you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and pay on paypal. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33A99.817EE450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

dkm@QueenOfAngels.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] = On Behalf Of William Case
Sent: = Tuesday, June 24, = 2003 9:26 PM
To: = 'continuing-time@ralf.org'
Subject: RE: [CT] Signed = copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale

 

I'll take a copy (1) .. Just let me = know which email addy your PayPal account is linked to and you will have the = payment in moments ..

 

Address:

Bill = Case

1531 SE 15th = Street

#2

Fort Lauderdale, FL  = 33316

 

Thank you kindly.. = =3D)

-----Original = Message-----
From: Dan Moran [mailto:Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, = 2003 12:27 AM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: [CT] Signed = copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale

These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I’m keeping a half dozen copies for myself and getting = rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and then I’ll put them up = on ebay. They’re $20 apiece. If you want to buy them through paypal, = you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and pay on = paypal.

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C33A99.817EE450-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 18:38:26 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:38:26 -0700 Subject: [CT] Sorry for my lousy communication skills. Message-ID: <000601c33b40$968c03d0$6401a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33B05.EA2D2BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me for not answering e-mails individually, but I've got about 20 since yesterday. This should answer the questions I was asked; if you're still unclear after reading the following, feel free to e-mail me again for clarification. There are two unopened boxes of the ee/tlr hc, which works out to 28 copies available. They're $20 apiece and that includes shipping book rate inside the United States. If you want priority mail, add $5 for the first copy, $3.00 for each copy thereafter. Outside the US, shipping is $5 for each copy, flat. If you don't want to use PayPal - I'd prefer you did because it's easier for me, but I'm not dead set on it -- you can mail me a check at: Daniel Keys Moran Box 5020 Woodland Hills, CA 91365 E-mail me and tell me how many copies you want and I'll set them aside as sold for 10 days. If no check arrives, I'll put them back on the market. If you do want to use paypal, my paypal account is dkm@QueenOfAngels.com. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33B05.EA2D2BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Forgive me for not answering e-mails individually, = but I’ve got about 20 since yesterday. This should answer the questions I was = asked; if you’re still unclear after reading the following, feel free to = e-mail me again for clarification.

 

There are two unopened boxes of the ee/tlr hc, which = works out to 28 copies available. They’re $20 apiece and that includes shipping book rate inside the = United States.

 

If you want priority mail, add $5 for the first copy, = $3.00 for each copy thereafter.

 

Outside the = US= , shipping is $5 for each copy, flat.

 

If you don’t want to use PayPal – = I’d prefer you did because it’s easier for me, but I’m not dead = set on it -- you can mail me a check at:

 

Daniel Keys Moran

Box = 5020

Woodland = Hills, = CA= = 91365

 

E-mail me and tell me how many copies you want and = I’ll set them aside as sold for 10 days. If no check arrives, I’ll put = them back on the market.

 

If you do want to use paypal, my paypal account is dkm@QueenOfAngels.com.

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C33B05.EA2D2BD0-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 19:48:25 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:48:25 -0700 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale In-Reply-To: <20030625184055.70947.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c33b4a$5c9f5370$6401a8c0@sva3k> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C33B0F.B0407B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please don't flood the list with this stuff. Send it to me directly. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Kerman Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:41 AM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: Re: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale Dan, I'd like one please. Should we send our mailing details to you or over the list? --Jeff Dan Moran wrote: These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I'm keeping a half dozen copies for myself and getting rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and then I'll put them up on ebay. They're $20 apiece. If you want to buy them through paypal, you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and pay on paypal. I'm Dancin' Like a Monkey! _____ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C33B0F.B0407B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please don’t flood the list = with this stuff. Send it to me directly.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Kerman
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, = 2003 11:41 AM
To: = continuing-time@ralf.org
Subject: Re: [CT] Signed = copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale

 

Dan,

 

I'd like one please. Should we send our mailing details to you = or over the list?

 

--Jeff

Dan Moran <Jimbo@QueenOfAngels.com> = wrote:

These are signed but not numbered, in basically new condition. I’m keeping a half dozen copies for myself and getting = rid of the rest. You all get first shot at them and then I’ll put them up = on ebay. They’re $20 apiece. If you want to buy them through paypal, = you can e-mail me with your address and number of copies you want and pay on = paypal.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C33B0F.B0407B70-- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 21:22:43 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:22:43 -0700 Subject: [CT] META: Edit Your Posts! (was: Signed copies of...) In-Reply-To: <200306251953.h5PJr0H02575@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: <000401c33b57$89b50000$6401a8c0@sva3k> Sorry about that. Normally I try to remember to post to the CT list in plain text. Unfortunately, most of the people I do business with *want* formatted text, so I have to remember to set my options when I e-mail. > Guys, it was bad enough that Dan accidentally posted his offer as > a "multi-part message in MIME format" with the biggest part being > a godawfully huge -- over two hundred lines! -- HTMLized version of > his five lines of actual text, apparently generated by Microsoft > Office... do so many of you have to quote Dan's *entire* message > whenever you reply to it? > > Come on, people -- EDIT!! > > -- William December Starr > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jun 25 22:47:05 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:47:05 -0700 Subject: [CT] Sorry for my lousy communication skills. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c33b63$55c23d60$6401a8c0@sva3k> :-) OK, I'll set aside a copy for you. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Dvorkin > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:28 AM > To: Dan Moran > Cc: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Sorry for my lousy communication skills. > > I'd like to reserve a copy, please. I'll get the check out to you > ASAP. (Bad experiences with PayPal ... and now I'm setting up an > e-commerce site to use it ... oh, the irony.) > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Fri Jun 27 17:51:16 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:51:16 -0700 Subject: [CT] We're sold out. Message-ID: <002101c33ccc$5c039740$6401a8c0@sva3k> We'll ship the books in the next couple of days. If any of the pay-by-check requests don't show up in the next week or so, I'll put them back up for sale. Thanks to everyone who ordered, I've never sold anything on ebay and wasn't dying to figure out how it worked. :-) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jul 6 02:20:49 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:20:49 -0700 Subject: [CT] Quote request Message-ID: <000001c3435c$d63a19d0$6401a8c0@sva3k> I saw my Speedfreak Motto the other day attributed to Hunter S. Thompson -- anyone know the work in which Thompson uses that quote? I didn't invent that quote, btw; I wrote down something a guy said to me in the mid-80s. But if I'm the one who first put it into print, I'd like to know. (And if I'm not, I'd like to know that, too.) ... did we cover this on the list before? I have a feeling we might have. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Sun Jul 6 07:02:51 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:02:51 -0700 Subject: [CT] Quote request In-Reply-To: <5A96E87E2BA0714ABBEA2C8F3F3F667C038D09D1@cceexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <000001c34384$3c930d00$6401a8c0@sva3k> OK, I feel better. The quote doesn't occur in Fear & Loathing -- it may occur in another work, but I found an electronic version of Fear, and the word "thrill" doesn't even occur in that novel -- I checked every occurrance of the word "speed" just to be safe, it's not there. I could see missing it in one of his other works, most of which I've only read once, and some of which I haven't read at all -- but missing it in Fear and Loathing, which I've read at least a dozen times, would bother me. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Moreau, Ken > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:49 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: RE: [CT] Quote request > > >From what I have been able to find, it is in the book "Fear and Loathing > in Las Vegas". I don't have the book in front of me, so I don't know > whether it refers more to drugs or velocity... > > -- Ken Moreau > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Wed Jul 9 04:56:22 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:56:22 -0700 Subject: [CT] My wife is going to be teaching two classes. Message-ID: <000001c345ce$1023ff80$6401a8c0@sva3k> This is the e-mail she sent me: ~~~~~ I'll be teaching the following writing courses on Monday nights beginning Sept 8. They're both 8-week classes at the Chatsworth campus of Learning Tree University. (20920 Knapp St; 818 882-5599) Creating Memorable Characters 6-7:50 pm (title presumably is self-explanatory) Introduction to Genre Writing 8-9:50 pm Focusing on sf/f/horror/mysteries, but open to all fiction writers. ~~~~~ I don't suppose you need my endorsement, but for whatever % of people on this list who don't know who Amy is, she's the editor who first bought my novels at Bantam Spectra. She's headed up both Bantam Spectra and Penguin Roc during her career - she knows vastly more about the publishing industry than anyone else you're likely to get taught by on the West Coast. She's edited Orson Scott Card, Greg Bear, Greg Benford, Peter Beagle, Connie Willis, Mike Resnick, Sheri Tepper - and a bunch of other people who I can't think of at the moment, but then, I didn't work with them, so I hope they'll forgive me for not remembering. If you want to talk to Amy about this directly, e-mail her at ALS@QueenOfAngels.com. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Jul 10 01:00:15 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:00:15 -0700 Subject: [CT] Vance as Hero In-Reply-To: <1057788164.12460.22.camel@two> Message-ID: <000401c34676$3e5f8b00$6401a8c0@sva3k> > > At the end of TLD, Vance makes his stand and he makes it clear: he > > stands for the people and ideals of the Unification and he's going to > > oppose the Secretary-General. And if I were the SecGen, I would have > > serious concerns that I wasn't carrying enough insurance. :-) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From continuing-time@ralf.org Thu Jul 10 04:45:27 2003 From: continuing-time@ralf.org (Dan Moran) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:45:27 -0700 Subject: [CT] Vance as Hero In-Reply-To: <1057808128.5927.104.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000101c34695$b471e3a0$6401a8c0@sva3k> It's from the Nuremberg trials. Guy named Guilbert, Allied psychiatrist, describing the Nazis. It's a moderately famous quote. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-admin@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > admin@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Robert J. Hansen > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:35 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: Re: [CT] Vance as Hero > > > The whole "evil" thing for Vance may be too small a yardstick. > > As my priest used to say (he was undoubtedly quoting someone else, but > I've never been able to find the originator), "evil is the absence of > empathy". By that yardstick, I think it's fair to say the EE Vance is > evil. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Sat Jul 12 16:19:34 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Sat Jul 12 15:20:46 2003 Subject: [CT] New collection of fiction, short non-fiction Message-ID: <000001c348c3$ad293f50$6401a8c0@sva3k> "A Freeway In My Back Yard." We're still putting it together - it takes its title from the first piece I did for the old NPR show "The Way In," about having the 60 freeway built in my back yard when I was a boy. So far, some of what's going to be included is: About a dozen NPR essays, 4 or 5 essays from other sources. Essay about "The Ring" Speech given to the coalition for networked Information in 1995 "Driving to San Antonio" "On Writing" - article some years ago about the process of writing fiction. "A Faster Darkness" About a dozen poems "A Day in the Life of a Telephone Pole" - first short story I ever sent off, when I was 12. "The Sun Shines on Metal" - last story I sent off before my first sale. "All the Time in the World" - first sale, Asimov story with Georges & Jalian "The Gray Maelstrom" "Realtime" "A Thousand Shades of Gray" - Realtime sequel, never published. "On The Boulevard of Dreams" -- originally this was the final third of "The Armageddon Blues." Amy made me cut it - she was right, it's a mess. "Given the Game" "In Cool Blood" - the short story, not the novel. "A Moment in Time" screenplay "A War in Time" sequel outline & notes on the novel "The Revolt of the Angels" "Kevin and Uncle Danny" - screenwriting exercise. "5-Minute Brick" - screenwriting exercise. "Star Wars: Empire Blues" "Star Wars: A Barve Like That" "Star Wars: The Last One Standing" "Roughing It During the Martian Invasion" "On Sequoia Time" "Left Behind: A Tale of the Continuing Time" "The Sheriff of Shokes" "Spiderman Kevin Stout Moran" - story about my little boy Richard, who one day when asked his name answered, "Spiderman Kevin Stout Moran." "The Golden People: A Tale of the Continuing Time" - With Karl Martin "A Rage of Stars: A Tale of the Continuing Time" (story about Marcus, from "Left Behind") "The Stopping Point: A Tale of the Continuing Time" "The Mechanism of Desire: A Tale of the Continuing Time" And possible various other assorted pieces of non-fiction, as I go through my writing over the years and see what's not too dated to bear. Almost everything listed above is finished, with the exception of "Sheriff of Shokes," "Golden People," and "Mechanism of Desire" - so I may end up backtracking on those. It'll probably end up in 2 volumes and I don't promise it'll be in the order listed above or anything remotely like it. There won't be a limited edition and there may not be a hardback; it may be a trade paperback only. I don't know who'll publish it, though we'll talk to QuietVision first because of the relationship over there. If we end up self-publishing, I'll be happy to sign copies. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Sat Jul 12 23:19:10 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Sat Jul 12 22:20:08 2003 Subject: [CT] New collection of fiction, short non-fiction In-Reply-To: <000601c348ea$e4912350$9402a8c0@Prophnt2.local> Message-ID: <000a01c348fe$4b467e70$6401a8c0@sva3k> They're not for sale yet. It's not even completely typeset yet, and the photo for the cover -- the 60 freeway from the hill in the backyard of the house I used to live in -- needs to be taken yet. So we're a good month or 3 away yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Casey Rousseau > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran' > Subject: RE: [CT] New collection of fiction, short non-fiction > > Dan wrote: > > > > "A Freeway In My Back Yard." > > I'll take two. > > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 14 14:38:46 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 14 16:42:29 2003 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale In-Reply-To: <01e701c34a47$59a70f80$78000d0a@DELLDJANAK> Message-ID: <000701c34a47$ee982e30$6401a8c0@sva3k> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 14 14:51:24 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 14 16:53:05 2003 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale In-Reply-To: <34E444D4-B63D-11D7-BB86-0003939D0166@intelligent-imaging.com> Message-ID: <000601c34a49$b2367fd0$6401a8c0@sva3k> > -----Original Message----- > > Has anyone received their signed copy that they ordered a couple of > > weeks ago?? I hate to bother Dan personally but it?s been two weeks > > and he never responded with an email through Paypal to let me know he > > got the money. How do you do that? I'm new to paypal -- I don't see a screen to send confirmation messages, though. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 14 15:27:42 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:29:21 2003 Subject: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c34a4e$c3f90fd0$6401a8c0@sva3k> Same as before -- $20 apiece, $5 with priority shipping in country, or to out of country. Free shipping book rate in country, which is slow. They're not available yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Cherry > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:17 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: RE: [CT] Signed copies of EE/Long Run limited ed hardcover for > sale > > How much would these copies sell for, if the orders are canceled? And how > would I go about securing one? > > - emc ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Tue Jul 15 00:14:29 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Tue Jul 15 02:16:05 2003 Subject: [CT] Re: Once again, DKM predicts the future . . . In-Reply-To: <1058249427.1223.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000101c34a98$5a1b9f70$6401a8c0@sva3k> The idea that computer programs execute in a memory space -- an environment -- and that evolution would apply there was well as in the "real world," is surely not mine. I'm not sure whose it is, but I'd be shocked if it hadn't been described by any number of people prior to my stories. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Scot Wilcoxon > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:10 PM > To: Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran > Subject: Re: [CT] Re: Once again, DKM predicts the future . . . > > On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 22:08, David Silberstein wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Victor Vescovo wrote: > > > Gladiator-style 'wars' select out weak programs > > Not to rain on your parade or anything, but "Core Wars" has been > > around since the mid-eighties. > > http://www.koth.org/ > > http://mcraeclan.com/Graeme/CoreWars.htm > > I'm sure I read about it in 1972. > I did! I diiid! I did thee a dethcripthion! > > In the 1984 Scientific American article that popularized "Core War": > http://www.koth.org/info/akdewdney/First.htm > "Darwin was described in Software: Practice and Experience, Volume 2, > pages 93-96, 1972" > > Yes, I was reading S:P&E at that time. > And the game is mentioned as being around before that. > > There was also a game on PLATO > > (For that matter, I also saw that Apple computers were suffering from > viruses which were transferred through floppy disks and BBS tranfers in > the early 1980s, long before most histories note the existence of > computer viruses.) http://www.cknow.com/vtutor/vtsladeapple.htm > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Tue Jul 15 13:53:45 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Tue Jul 15 15:54:19 2003 Subject: [CT] With eyes closed, DKM predicts the future . . . In-Reply-To: <1058293850.1223.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000501c34b0a$cd654c70$6401a8c0@sva3k> In a screenplay I never finished, "Dragons," there's a scene where a current-day hacker is busy at work. It sets up like the scene in "Swordfish" (though it was written before that -- you know the one if you saw that movie, the rock-n-roll hacking scene with Wolverine) -- in "Dragons," our short, fat hacker sits staring at screens filled with text, types occasionally, sits and drinks coffee, watches more screens filled with text ... time passes ... more time passes ... one by one the people who were there to watch the "hacking" file out of the room ... Done correctly that could be really funny. > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Scot Wilcoxon > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:31 AM > To: Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran > Subject: Re: [CT] With eyes closed, DKM predicts the future . . . > > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 11:38, Mike Lavin wrote: > > excitement of the battle. Basically, to an outside observer, it was a > > guy standing still with his eyes shut in front of a big box for a few > > minutes > > For some reason, Hollywood doesn't often have scenes like that. > > In "Sneakers" there was the sound-effect matching sequence. Although > at least there were dials, knobs, and buttons to move, and fading to > driving to a cocktail party. Does it matter whether a blind guy has his > eyes open or shut? > > ____________________________ > continuing-time mailing list > continuing-time@ralf.org > http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 21 13:26:02 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 21 15:28:05 2003 Subject: [CT] Clark Fries, Trent In-Reply-To: <200307210334.h6L3Ypk16935@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: <000201c34fbd$eccb1010$6401a8c0@sva3k> > > In a lot of ways -- but not all of them -- being reminded here about > > Clark is bringing Daniel Keys Moran's Trent Castanaveras, a/k/a Trent > > the Uncatchable, to mind. Trent seems more than a bit like Clark > > v. 2.0 or 3.0, perhaps, with the Code Against Killing upgrade among > > others. Trent too would have cheerfully agreed to smuggle the > > nuclear bomb on board then disarmed it and kept it around for a > > special occasion. > > > > I wonder if Clark would have appreciated mid-20th century Warner > > Bros. cartoon shorts? > > Any comment, Dan, anyone? Here's what I remember about Clark, with the disclaimer that it's been years since I've read the book. The kid's 12 or thereabouts with an IQ of 160 -- and I remember his IQ because it's mine. I've had 4 IQ tests administered to me over the years; two I aced and on the other two I missed 3 questions. So my IQ is (or was, when I was much younger) 160-or-upwards ... Clark's IQ, according to that book. I assure you, when I was 12, I couldn't do the sorts of things Clark could do, and wasn't nearly as self-aware as Clark is portrayed as being. I'm skeptical about IQ in general -- partly because I do extremely well on those tests and I know how bonehead stupid I'm capable of being. I don't know how smart Trent is ... but smarter than me. Well upwards of 160, anyway. IQ is a dreadful tool for measuring anything useful, anyway. It's like horsepower on an engine -- my wife and I have a code when we're discussing stupid-smart people: "flat tires," one of us will say. Big engine, flat tires, car isn't moving. Are Clark and Trent related? The V2, V3 comment is probably fair at one level; I sure read all my Heinlein when I was a kid. I lifted ("invented") Trent from a lot of sources -- Fletch and Jim diGriz would be on the list well before Clark, though. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 21 14:46:14 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 21 16:46:26 2003 Subject: [CT] Clark Fries, Trent In-Reply-To: <1058819759.20934.28.camel@two> Message-ID: <000801c34fc9$2255b950$6401a8c0@sva3k> I'm sure I've told the story about Steve Barnes and his trip to Mensa with me and my then-girlfriend ... on the way there I talked about how I was taking megadoses of Vitamin C, and Barnes mentioned that unless I took it in steady dribbles most of it was being wasted - that there was a biologically available amount of Vitamin C, and anything above that amount was flushed. On the way back from Mensa, Barnes said, "I wonder if there's such a thing as a biologically available amount of intelligence." > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Derek Glidden > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:36 PM > To: Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran > Subject: RE: [CT] Clark Fries, Trent > > Every MENSA person I've ever met has been a bore and a loser. However > that only provesˆ:B%t the MENSA folks _I've_ ever met have been bores > and losers. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Fri Jul 25 21:37:36 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Fri Jul 25 23:38:23 2003 Subject: [CT] Stuff for sale. Message-ID: <000001c35327$427d3e40$6401a8c0@sva3k> I shut down our storage unit the other day after they raised prices on us for the 3rd time this in a year. As a result, I've got a couple thousand books I've got no space for sitting in boxes in my living room. I've decided to sell most of it - some of it's my books, what's left of the overprint of Terminal Freedom limited ed., old copies of Armageddon Blues & Last Dancer (the Bantam editions, in good condition) . bound galleys of my books and others. I'm also going to be selling any plain old book I no longer want, and there'll be some hundreds (maybe thousands) of those. My e-bay account is fatsamlt -- haven't yet put anything for sale up through it, but that's the account I'll be selling through. I'm not going to make further mention of this on the continuing-time@ralf.org list; anything further I have to discuss will be posted on the ctforum@lists.infodancer.org list. Hope Matt doesn't mind. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 28 12:38:12 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 28 14:39:08 2003 Subject: [CT] People who don't want to join ctforum list -- Message-ID: <000001c35537$6c507400$6401a8c0@sva3k> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Mon Jul 28 13:42:39 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Jul 28 15:43:01 2003 Subject: [CT] People who don't want to join ctforum list -- In-Reply-To: <000001c35537$6c507400$6401a8c0@sva3k> Message-ID: <000601c35540$67acc670$6401a8c0@sva3k> Sorry about the html attachment on that message. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Dan Moran Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:38 AM To: continuing-time@ralf.org Subject: [CT] People who don't want to join ctforum list -- QueenOfAngels.com's front page has the same info. Several people have said they want to know what's for sale but don't want to join another mailing list; just go to queenofangels.com & whatever is available will be listed there. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Wed Aug 6 15:23:36 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:24:15 2003 Subject: [CT] First piece ran on "Day to Day" on NPR. Message-ID: <00a201c35c61$0381fee0$6401a8c0@sva3k> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Thu Sep 4 01:45:47 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Thu Sep 4 03:47:42 2003 Subject: [CT] Never received my Limited Edition In-Reply-To: <1062206103.3f4ffa97d9867@webmail.ruffin-daniels.com> Message-ID: <000001c372b8$8eb28940$6401a8c0@sva3k> > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Brad Daniels > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:15 PM > To: continuing-time@ralf.org > Subject: [CT] Never received my Limited Edition > > > Apologies for sending to the list (especially if it's a duplicate), but I > sent > 2 e-mails to DKM's "Jimbo" address, and never got a response. Brad, I received one e-mail from you, on July 30th, and I did respond to it, as follows, on 7/30/2003 at 11:34 a.m.: >It's on our shiplist. If you still haven't received it by the time you >move, I'll send you another copy. Give me the new address, OK? >We're going to UPS for our shipping. US mail is simply atrocious. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brad Daniels [mailto:Brad.Daniels@NetIQ.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:27 AM >> To: 'Daniel Keys Moran (E-mail)' >> Subject: FW: Receipt for your Payment >> >> I still haven't received my copy. Did it go out OK? If you send it >> now, it needs to go by US mail. I'm moving next week, and the post >> office will forward, but I don't think UPS will. ~~~~~ I never did receive a message from you with the address. For future reference, anyone with shipping problems should e-mail ALS@QueenofAngels.com anyway -- Amy is handling it, not me. I didn't respond to the email above because I haven't been reading the list; I don't when I get busy (or the other one, either), and I've been busy recently. I do however read my own mail, and did receive the mail you sent today saying that you hadn't received a response to 2 letters and to your posting to this list. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Tue Sep 23 23:11:30 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Wed Sep 24 01:13:08 2003 Subject: [CT] The best thing I've ever written. Message-ID: <007801c3825a$5ac40850$6401a8c0@sva3k> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Wed Sep 24 22:55:43 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Thu Sep 25 00:56:36 2003 Subject: [CT] The best thing I've ever written. In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030924140919.019d58d0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c38321$5c373ff0$6401a8c0@sva3k> > -----Original Message----- > From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time- > bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of martes > > ...40 pages in one day ?? sounds like a rough draft to me even with > polish. Yeah, me too, but ... I won't read it again until this weekend, but I'm skeptical I'm going to change anything. It does what I wanted it to. And I'm not going to dicsuss what that was; there's nothing more boring than what a writer tried to do. But I will note I had just re-read "Isle of the Dead" by Zelazny -- one of Zelazny's (and SF's) better immortal stories -- less than a week before writing this. I've always suspected that immortality has its serious downside, not much explored in science fiction. I want to do something with the story of the War of the Ages that's coming, but I don't know what yet. ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Sun Oct 26 22:10:44 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Mon Oct 27 01:13:30 2003 Subject: [CT] Grand Prix Fire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011101c39c51$295de810$6501a8c0@sva> My younger sisters had a fire burn up next to their house last weekend. Tonight my older sister is being evacuated, apparently -- that's all I know right now. There's a fire about 10 miles from us that's turned half the sky black, but we're safe. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of David Silberstein Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:49 PM To: Continuing Time List Subject: [CT] Grand Prix Fire On another mailing list, the evacuations and stuff going on because of the Grand Prix Fire are being discussed. http://www.incidentcontrol.com/grandprix/index.html Dan, and anyone else in the L.A. area - are you and yours OK? ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Wed Nov 26 08:31:03 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Wed Nov 26 11:31:34 2003 Subject: [CT] RE: QOA.com suspended? In-Reply-To: <4874.205.215.216.201.1069861136.squirrel@www.wilcoxon.org> Message-ID: <009301c3b43a$b4e9cd30$6601a8c0@sva> All that's really happened is that the Readyhosting DNS has expired -- this isn't their fault, it's (mostly) mine. I'm unhappy with them as a host, but that's a separate issue. I have an actual server at a colo that's hosting both QOA & LakersTalk these days. I'm moderately pleased with them -- except they promised to handle my DNS lookup and now won't/can't. QueenOfAngels.com is registered for 9 years -- it ought not to expire any time soon. If I knew how to configure DNS on Windows Server (I'm completely baffled by it) I could probably install DNS on the server I'm using and update Verisign with the new DNS Server IP. Dot5Hosting, on the other hand, is evil on the hoof. I started LakersTalk up there -- they're bad, bad news. They expired LakersTalk.com on its one year anniversary, despite the fact that I'd paid for 2 years registration, and refused to fix it until I'd paid them for another year + $119 penalty ... they did finally, after I made a stink on webhostingtalk.com, refund the $119, but if I hadn't, they wouldn't have. Beware. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Scot E. Wilcoxon Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:39 AM To: Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran Subject: Re: [CT] RE: QOA.com suspended? >> I've made qoa.ralf.org >> resolve to the working IP. IE you can go to http://qoa.ralf.org/ for >> now. > I can't believe I didn't think of doing that myself. So I've set > qoa.crystalwind.org to do the same (http://qoa.crystalwind.org/ will now > take you there as well). Seems only fair, since he was the inspiration > for the domain name in the first place... :) Remember to point out to Google that they can also rank the importance of web sites based on the number of DNS entries which point to them. :-) ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time From Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com Wed Dec 3 10:58:22 2003 From: Jimbo at QueenOfAngels.com (Dan Moran) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:58:32 2003 Subject: [CT] RE: QOA.com suspended? In-Reply-To: <20031203095811.GA9037@firedrake.org> Message-ID: <003401c3b9cf$6e50e530$6601a8c0@sva> Thanks for the offer -- Charles Clark made a similar offer and I'm going to take him up on it as soon as I surface for air. -----Original Message----- From: continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org [mailto:continuing-time-bounces@ralf.org] On Behalf Of Roger Burton West Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:58 AM To: Discussion of works/books of Daniel Keys Moran Subject: Re: [CT] RE: QOA.com suspended? On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 10:58:50AM -0600, Andy Deckowitz wrote: >You might want to take a look at a dedicated DNS provider. I'm sure several of us here run DNS servers and would be happy to provide primary or secondary DNS and/or MX service to Dan without charge. I know I do and would. Roger ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time ____________________________ continuing-time mailing list continuing-time@ralf.org http://www.ralf.org/mailman/listinfo/continuing-time